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		<title>By: VancityAllie</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtfarmer.com/blog/2009/11/18/selling/#comment-662</link>
		<dc:creator>VancityAllie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love you guys!</description>
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		<title>By: Best of 2009: Top 5 Posts on our Intranet Blog - Intranet Blog - ThoughtFarmer</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtfarmer.com/blog/2009/11/18/selling/#comment-660</link>
		<dc:creator>Best of 2009: Top 5 Posts on our Intranet Blog - Intranet Blog - ThoughtFarmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 5. Selling ThoughtFarmer: What’s Worked, What Hasn’t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 5. Selling ThoughtFarmer: What’s Worked, What Hasn’t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Secret Santa Surprise: Land of (not-so) Misfit e20 Toys</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtfarmer.com/blog/2009/11/18/selling/#comment-656</link>
		<dc:creator>Secret Santa Surprise: Land of (not-so) Misfit e20 Toys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] PEOPLE as the centerpiece.  I think when I heard that, I popped the question to poor Chris.  As I commented on the ThoughtFarmer blog last week, some of our best contributions in the Council come from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] PEOPLE as the centerpiece.  I think when I heard that, I popped the question to poor Chris.  As I commented on the ThoughtFarmer blog last week, some of our best contributions in the Council come from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Business and honesty. &#124; Gil Yehuda&#39;s Enterprise 2.0 Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtfarmer.com/blog/2009/11/18/selling/#comment-655</link>
		<dc:creator>Business and honesty. &#124; Gil Yehuda&#39;s Enterprise 2.0 Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ThoughtFarmer blog. ThoughtFarmer provides organizations with Intranet platforms that happen to be Enterprise 2.0 platforms.  Their product is impressive and it has some features not found in any other E2.0 intranet platform.  However they don&#8217;t really focus their time and energy on product marketing.  So they are not as well known as some of their competitors.  In a recent blog post, Chris McGrath, the cofounder of ThoughtFarmer candidly shares his thoughts about what they are doing that is working and what is not working so well.  It&#8217;s not an appeal to pity, it&#8217;s simply an honest expression.  And personally I like reading this kind of honesty and self-awareness.  It raises my sense of trust in them.  I know they have a great product, and I know that they are not sugar-coating. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ThoughtFarmer blog. ThoughtFarmer provides organizations with Intranet platforms that happen to be Enterprise 2.0 platforms.  Their product is impressive and it has some features not found in any other E2.0 intranet platform.  However they don&#8217;t really focus their time and energy on product marketing.  So they are not as well known as some of their competitors.  In a recent blog post, Chris McGrath, the cofounder of ThoughtFarmer candidly shares his thoughts about what they are doing that is working and what is not working so well.  It&#8217;s not an appeal to pity, it&#8217;s simply an honest expression.  And personally I like reading this kind of honesty and self-awareness.  It raises my sense of trust in them.  I know they have a great product, and I know that they are not sugar-coating. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McGrath</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtfarmer.com/blog/2009/11/18/selling/#comment-646</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan, thanks so much for your comments. I&#039;m glad that Bevin and Ephraim are participating in the Council -- I learn a lot from them every time they speak or post. They&#039;ve provide great product feedback that&#039;s helping make ThoughtFarmer an even better solution.

And yes, we need to spend more on marketing! Our marketing budget as a percentage of revenue is probably lower than it should be. Our sales cycle is long, which makes it hard to connect a marketing expenditure to a sale, which leads to us holding back on spending. It&#039;s that old adage, &quot;Half the money I spend on advertising is wasted. Trouble is, I don&#039;t know which half.&quot; We will be working on improving our marketing in 2010, starting with the launch of version 3.6 in January.

As far as the Council goes, we are definitely interested in some sort of marketing. Send me a note offline about what you had in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, thanks so much for your comments. I&#8217;m glad that Bevin and Ephraim are participating in the Council &#8212; I learn a lot from them every time they speak or post. They&#8217;ve provide great product feedback that&#8217;s helping make ThoughtFarmer an even better solution.</p>
<p>And yes, we need to spend more on marketing! Our marketing budget as a percentage of revenue is probably lower than it should be. Our sales cycle is long, which makes it hard to connect a marketing expenditure to a sale, which leads to us holding back on spending. It&#8217;s that old adage, &#8220;Half the money I spend on advertising is wasted. Trouble is, I don&#8217;t know which half.&#8221; We will be working on improving our marketing in 2010, starting with the launch of version 3.6 in January.</p>
<p>As far as the Council goes, we are definitely interested in some sort of marketing. Send me a note offline about what you had in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Scrupski</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtfarmer.com/blog/2009/11/18/selling/#comment-643</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Scrupski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Chris.  I make it no secret I&#039;m a fan of ThoughtFarmer.   Thomas Vander Wal and I were just talking this morning about you and a few others that continue to be &quot;best kept secrets&quot; in the E20 landscape.  I&#039;m considering making this my final blog post for 2009: a roundup up great companies that need more visibility in the space.

I will say... two of our best case study Council members: Ephraim (Oxfam) and Bev (Penn State) have provided some of the smartest contributions on how to get 2.0 done right.  I was just reading Ephraim&#039;s post this morning on tagging and have already changed how I tag in Delicious.  ThoughtFarmer is the engine that is driving this great content and experience, so I applaud you for that.

Also-- you need to spend more on marketing.  This is where you&#039;re getting killed by bigger players with duller offerings. I know that really is a drag because it&#039;s always a catch-22 with a startup.  If you spend on marketing, you lose that development talent you need, etc.  I&#039;m very happy to work with you on something affordable for ThoughtFarmer with the Council.  (AND this is not a veiled sales pitch: I&#039;ve been flattering you for a long while for no good reason/motivation.)  Plus, I&#039;m more interested in helping get your word out, but alas, I&#039;m a startup too. 

Here&#039;s to a great 2010; you guys/gals deserve it in many ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chris.  I make it no secret I&#8217;m a fan of ThoughtFarmer.   Thomas Vander Wal and I were just talking this morning about you and a few others that continue to be &#8220;best kept secrets&#8221; in the E20 landscape.  I&#8217;m considering making this my final blog post for 2009: a roundup up great companies that need more visibility in the space.</p>
<p>I will say&#8230; two of our best case study Council members: Ephraim (Oxfam) and Bev (Penn State) have provided some of the smartest contributions on how to get 2.0 done right.  I was just reading Ephraim&#8217;s post this morning on tagging and have already changed how I tag in Delicious.  ThoughtFarmer is the engine that is driving this great content and experience, so I applaud you for that.</p>
<p>Also&#8211; you need to spend more on marketing.  This is where you&#8217;re getting killed by bigger players with duller offerings. I know that really is a drag because it&#8217;s always a catch-22 with a startup.  If you spend on marketing, you lose that development talent you need, etc.  I&#8217;m very happy to work with you on something affordable for ThoughtFarmer with the Council.  (AND this is not a veiled sales pitch: I&#8217;ve been flattering you for a long while for no good reason/motivation.)  Plus, I&#8217;m more interested in helping get your word out, but alas, I&#8217;m a startup too. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s to a great 2010; you guys/gals deserve it in many ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtfarmer.com/blog/2009/11/18/selling/#comment-478</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really good article, great to get an under the skin view of an organisation. As a developer and business owner myself, I understand the frustrations the sales process can hold in this industry. No matter how much better your product is than the archaic, expensive piece of kit you&#039;re trying to replace - conveying the benefits without having to actually set the thing up and get people to use it can be extremely frustrating. 

Anyway, best of luck with 4.0 and I hope 2010 goes as well as you are forecasting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really good article, great to get an under the skin view of an organisation. As a developer and business owner myself, I understand the frustrations the sales process can hold in this industry. No matter how much better your product is than the archaic, expensive piece of kit you&#8217;re trying to replace &#8211; conveying the benefits without having to actually set the thing up and get people to use it can be extremely frustrating. </p>
<p>Anyway, best of luck with 4.0 and I hope 2010 goes as well as you are forecasting.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McGrath</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtfarmer.com/blog/2009/11/18/selling/#comment-468</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@james until Chatter is released later in 2010, there isn&#039;t too much I can comment on. However, they are definitely positioning it as a platform, similar to how SharePoint is a platform. ThoughtFarmer is not a platform. It is a finely tailored solution built for end-users, not developers.

So I think whether you use ThoughtFarmer or SharePoint or Chatter for internal collaboration will largely come down to this question: Do I have the time, money and people to embark on a development project? If no, ThoughtFarmer will always be your best choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@james until Chatter is released later in 2010, there isn&#8217;t too much I can comment on. However, they are definitely positioning it as a platform, similar to how SharePoint is a platform. ThoughtFarmer is not a platform. It is a finely tailored solution built for end-users, not developers.</p>
<p>So I think whether you use ThoughtFarmer or SharePoint or Chatter for internal collaboration will largely come down to this question: Do I have the time, money and people to embark on a development project? If no, ThoughtFarmer will always be your best choice.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtfarmer.com/blog/2009/11/18/selling/#comment-467</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been interested in TF for a while and have been waiting for the 3.6 version to be released to check out the new functionality.  I love the simplicity and collaboration capabilities of the solution but wasn&#039;t a big fan of how documents are treated (it would be great to see document libraries on a page with full version control &amp; check out capabilities) which is one of the biggest reasons I hadn&#039;t purchased .  However as a company that is using Salesforce.com for CRM I&#039;m a little torn based upon the announcement yesterday of their Chatter collaboration solution that is integrated heavily with their CRM offering (http://www.salesforce.com/chatter/).  Of course it doesn&#039;t do everything that TF does but the hooks into CRM and other business apps make it quite compelling.

Any comments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been interested in TF for a while and have been waiting for the 3.6 version to be released to check out the new functionality.  I love the simplicity and collaboration capabilities of the solution but wasn&#8217;t a big fan of how documents are treated (it would be great to see document libraries on a page with full version control &amp; check out capabilities) which is one of the biggest reasons I hadn&#8217;t purchased .  However as a company that is using Salesforce.com for CRM I&#8217;m a little torn based upon the announcement yesterday of their Chatter collaboration solution that is integrated heavily with their CRM offering (<a href="http://www.salesforce.com/chatter/" rel="nofollow">http://www.salesforce.com/chatter/</a>).  Of course it doesn&#8217;t do everything that TF does but the hooks into CRM and other business apps make it quite compelling.</p>
<p>Any comments?</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtfarmer.com/blog/2009/11/18/selling/#comment-464</link>
		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you continue to go from strength to strength, and when your ready to open a Toronto office dont forget to give me a call :-)</description>
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